Using Figshare to showcase and exhibit Arts outputs

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Hello, welcome, Thank you so much for joining us for this webinar on Showcasing and Exhibiting Arts Outputs With Figshare. My name is Megan Hardeman, I'm Head of Engagement at Figshare

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and, today, I'm joined by Mark Hibbitt

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from University of the Arts London, Catharine Bailey from Brunel University and Liam Bullingham, and also having from Edge Hill University, and they'll each be presenting briefly their experiences with using Figshare to showcase and exhibit their arts outputs, So, there'll be some time at the end for questions for all of our presenters. So please do feel free to put them in the questions box, or the chat. We'll find them wherever you put the question, and if you could please reference to the question is for, so that we make sure that we get you an answer from the right person.

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This webinar is being recorded and it will be sent round to all registrants after the end of the webinar.

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So followed my introductions out of the way, and I will hand over to our first presenter. Mark.

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OK, over to you. Thank you very much.

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Hello. Hopefully you can see my title page up, I’m Mark Hibbitt, I'm the Research … at UAL. I just wanna give you a quick overview of how we first started using Figshare to showcase outputs for those who don't know. UAL is the University of the Arts London. We are in the top two.

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Universities for Arts, it doesn't matter where in the top two wheel arches face, just somewhere in the top to estimate. And we might have six colleges, centrism, Martins London College of Communication, Dylan College of Fashion. Chelsea, College of Art, Kambo, College of Arts, and Chelsea Wimbleton College of All classes, and we're an Artist Monotype clinic.

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So we only do arts, which is great, especially if you like arts, although, sometimes we do have difficulties, as we'll see, with dealing with the idea of data. Because we're just arts, we don't have colleagues in other fields that we can get information from.

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What we initially used Figshare thought was to replace our existing data repository. This is what it looked like. As you can probably guess. This was set up in a Prince set up 4 or 5 years ago, Basically, basically, is a box ticking exercise, so that when somebody was putting in a grant application, if the grant application said, You had to be able to deposit stuff into a data repository, we have this here so people could put it. It wasn't much used and it certainly wasn't, much access. In fact, when we, when we emptied this and put all the information into fake shat, as you say, it turned out, there were only actually seven items in the whole repository. So it wasn't hugely used as a site. Not many people actually access it. So when we got this stage, really, one of the things we wanted to do was find out a way that we could get academics to engage more with it.

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Because I think as ... arts, academics tend not to think of what they do as data in the same way. Which is frustrating, because we do so much great research, generates great data that could be re-used. And could we looked at, we wanted to find a way?

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Let's get more ... more intimate and get more people to extract information from it.

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Now, at the same time, as I was worrying about that, I was also worrying about this, this is the International Graphic Novel and Comics Conference.

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Comic Studies is one of the is, is a big thing. UAL, we're one of the major centers for comics to…., though. Nobody ever seems to notice that we do it. This conference is the biggest conference in the fail to happens every year. Is quite prestigious event and for 2020 UAL, we're going to be hosting it, which is over exciting until 20 20 actually happens. As you may remember, things didn't go quite as planned. And when we were planning this at the start of the year, we're facing the prospect of having to count that altogether.

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So, I was sitting at home moaning about this to my other half when she cites it. well, hang on a minute, instead of moaning about the converse being shut down and instead of moaning about Figshare, not being used.

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Why don't you combine those two things together until the conference on Figshare? And so that's what we did, we decided we're going to do was get all the delegates to prerecord their presentations so then we could store them on Figshare. So people could look at them before the commerce actually started and then the conference itself will be mostly discussions, seemed like a great idea. We talked to fix our parents, it, And they set us up with this submission system, so, the academics could recall that presentations and upload it here or quite easily to help that happen.

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We set up this guide, which took them through the many steps beach, going through the steps, step by step, was probably about two. And all they had to do was I uploaded a file, and then they just filled in some metadata, and then we got that through, and we can sort it out from there. It was a lovely plan. And it would have worked if it wasn't for the pesky academics who brought with this. The issues. Academics always do.

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For one thing, didn't used to form or the system. We set up about half. The people who were creating site part. Just e-mailed me the presentation, or link to the presentation.

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Of those who did use the form, an awful lot of them didn't complete it. They base the panics when they saw they had to enter things in, just press submit, and didn't fill in everything they had to. The third issue. And this will surprise anybody has actually ever worked with academics but an astonishingly. They ignore the deadlines completely.

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A lot of people thought the deadline was the start of the conversation self. Quite a few of them thought the deadline was a week after the conference to actually finish.

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And the result of this was that we didn't have as much time as we wanted to be wanting to get the presentations online source into order unavailable to delegates a week before. In actual fact, we ended up making them available about three days before, which wasn't really enough time.

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And the reason them, This research problem, is because it ended up with the Figshare team having to do an awful lot more work than we expected to get all these presentations into a usable format. Just to illustrate. this is a team picture of the Figshare team.

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It was just me on my own I had about a week's worth of 14 hour days trying to get these presentations into the right format to get the delegates to send it to me again to upload them and it was basically a nightmare however, once we got it done, it worked really, really well. I'm just gonna show you now how we did this. So this is the conference's own page on Figshare. Once we got the files uploaded, what we did was we put them into your collections to group them together into the actual session. So, thank you for coming to this with here.

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Yes, actually, see what you get for each session. For the conference.

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You had a piece of information to hit the top, telling you what time that conference was taking place, which virtual room, that particular session was taking place in. And then you got each of the presentation, so I'll just go to this one here. You can see you've got he's got an MP four, that you've got the abstract and you've got various bits of metadata, and we put in an extra field. So we have a biography of each presenter's.

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It worked really, really well, especially helped by a web page we set up. This is the ... own web page for this. And because we put all of the sessions into collections, we could directly linked to each one of the sessions, because they went through. So people at a really easy way of finding out where they hit Go and get the information. We also gripes group, the keynote speakers into their own sessions.

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We have an award, which we were all the sessions that were eligible, fact we grouped together, and it was great, It was, It was a really, really, really nice way of doing it.

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If I go back to here, because the conference, so, what he meant was by having the presentation separate, so people could look at their own leisure, The actual conference was mostly discussions. We have, rather than just having 20 minutes at the end, this, we had a full hour of every session to discuss what was in them. And the discussion we had was actual discussion. Because we used collaborate Blackboard. To do this event, We have verbal discussions and comments. So that when people ask questions, and, they were actually questions, when people wanted to do something, that was a comment, more than a question, they could do that in the Comments section. So we could free that. I'm actually, it was, it was brilliant. It works so well and we got a lot of lot of things outfit.

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And also, there was no missing out on the presentations because all the presentations already available. You never had the problem of somebody you wanted to go and see taking place where you're looking at something else.

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Then, post Conference, what he meant was, we already had an archive ready made of all these presentations. And we got a lot more engagement because people who couldn't attend the conference itself, could come and look at them. And we've had quite a lot of downloads as well. That highlighted the work, the UAL worked because obviously it was a UAL system we were doing on it.

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And it turned out to be an example for other, com, just using future. I went to come for, a, which is another one of the Big Comics Conference is a few months later, and they explicitly referenced our conference in our introduction, saying that this had been an example of how to use it. And that paid into an impact case study, that we did, ..., which, I'm sure if he's trying to forget about, but they are Comics Research Hub was a case study and we were able to use the fact, that, this had been referenced by other conferences, in that case study. And this then in turn, served to highlight the work.

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The core, which is the Comics Research Hub, does over the gate and both externally and within UAL is so so people got to see what this research up actually date. So just to wrap it all up, what they did then was, by using Figshare, to run the comments, he solved two problems. It was a way of getting more engagement, we Figshare, which we've had a lot of sense because of this underway to actually from the conference. And it was a lot of work, as I think I've gotten across.

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But hopefully, as you say, it wasn't the end, totally worth it, and that's me, Thanks.

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Thank you so much, Mark, Really, really interesting.

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I'm going to hand over now to Canada.

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I'm kidding.

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Everyone should be able to see my screen.

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So, we can say, OK, That's great. Thanks, so. Hi, everyone. My name is Catharine Bailey. I'm the research that's manager at Brunel University, London and it needs to be here today to talk to you about how ... chair to showcase the exhibit arts outputs for now.

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For those of you not familiar with for now with ... Brunel, and we are a medium sized, research intensive campus based university, we have around 1200 academic staff and about 16,000 students. And we ask this in three colleges: College of Business, Arts and Social Sciences, which is our largest college, And then alongside that, we have our College of Engineering, Design and Physical Sciences, and the College of Health and Medicine and Life Sciences. And alongside these, we also have find research institutes, which are designed to promote co-operation across disciplines.

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So, we got to share in 20 15, and really, the majority of our data that sits within the repository, comes from all, from our engineering. I'm from all clinical life sciences colleges. So, we have been keen to try and find ways to encourage those working in the humanities to deposit their their outputs and Figshare, and our journey to improving the amounts of records in all in Our repository relates to The … … began.

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I can search late, 2019, with the rest, really, thing, the driver. So we.

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Our team, from research and rights team, along with planning, got together to discuss the research instance requirement around a preference for electronic submission. So before and portfolios would have been collated. Manipulated in the form of the hard copies in CDs and sent off. And suddenly, this raffinate, they're looking for electronics initial possible. Ideally, a DUI URLs, some sort of assistant link for, this has to be able to access. So.

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At that meeting, we discussed the possible mechanisms for being able to to meet that requirement. And we realize that in fact, we already has an existing system that will be able to deliver that and that was in the form of ... repository for our Figshare.

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So, it sort of supports this twofold. Really, supporting the rest submissions, the ability to be able to mint data site DOI's for public items, and to share persistent links with the assessors.

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The ability to share content privately with assessors as wildfire private link. And this really was critical. Because, see, where possible, we want to make the outlets public, but there were outputs, which were necessarily, needs to be kept private firms in the short term, to the right shoes.

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So the ability to be able to share that with the assessors without making it public was a real plus.

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Files can be viewed within the browser. So, again, for the review, is no need to download, you know, what, tend to be quite large files, and images, and videos, and so forth.

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As well as supporting the rest submission, that was a way for us to sort of demonstrate an open research environment, being able to showcase our practice based outputs. An opportunity to measure reach through altmetrics, and, of course, having those DOI's ensure that all outputs, ..., and find a bowl.

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To the workflow, it's a simplified version, but this was our opportunity to engage with researchers in our College of Arts and Humanities. We work very closely with our Research Impact Officer, who liaise with the UA leads, planning to identify which researchers will be submitting portfolios.

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And then it was a question of gathering materials, of course, with the rest of the pandemic and so on.

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So, liaison was kind of mostly online, and so all researchers had to send all research in pipes officer, digital media, MP, three schools, in that way. And then the reception parts, officer assisted researches and obtaining falls from third party services and checking rights.

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So that was, that was in a crisis of work. And quite often, because of the pandemic, some of the, the files kind of weren't readily available or where they have been installed. For example. You know, some of the some of those cloud services had closed or shut down temporarily so that was a challenge.

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But Let's get what we need needed and I work very closely with the Impact Officer to upload them to Figshare. And of course, working closely with our copyright officer to just double-check your rights issues and, and, and, and showing kind of maximize.

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The metadata essential discoverability. So, in total, we submitted, I think, 25 Equal, E-portfolios from English, film, Music, and Theater.

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nine, if those are public or private.

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So, just to give you a sense of some of the outputs and this is a records on cereals uploaded by doctor Holly Maypoles, materials relating to a series of interactive experiences created that norridge costume Museum. And here, you can see, you know, we work closely with Holly is to ensure that the ... as full as possible, making sure that the we had a full description. Category is keywords just to, you know, ensure that we are optimizing discoverability of the outputs, and so you can see here is with today.

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Said, 370 views, and 101 downloads, So, and so, you know, that kind of information is, it's definitely useful.

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The kinds of materials that we, that were uploaded, the purposes, the ref, it was quite. the template that we kind of used for the ref was quite specific, so there needs to be at 300 what statement that alongside that, then, the opportunity to be able to upload different types of media was a, real plus O scripts.

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Flyers, images.

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In this case, we have, in other examples of multimedia film film, for example, say, I think it's kind of correct that collection together. All in one place via a Figshare was hugely beneficial. Not just for the rough spots and beyond.

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So just some sort of reflections on on, you know, what's come come before, all but one of the researchers had not used Figshare before.

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So in it sort of I think a sign of that, it's it's still taking time for those working in the arts and Humanities, Rebecca buys the benefits of a repository. So, kind of the ref acted as sort of helpful step because it was.

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But, once we got going, you know, all those involved can see the benefits going forward, the on the graph, as I've mentioned the pandemic has made it difficult to secure some of the materials. Some of the copyright permissions posed a challenge as well but, it's for it has helped to get the conversation going and for others working in those fields to kind of see the peers, what they're doing and they see the benefits of, of making those outputs public.

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And Holly Maypoles, sir gave some useful feedback, saying that, you know, this wouldn't ordinarily be a mechanism to be able to make the outputs kind of public in this way, as fail to create them in this way. So, she feels, it's huge benefit beneficial for her, that she can now point to that work, And it's all in one place.

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That's me.

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Great, thank you so much, Catharine.

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And, finally, and I'll hand over to Liam and Helen.

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Take it away ...

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Just can the screen shows up, can you see the colorful building?

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Yes, it can be this, OK.

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So hi, everyone, I'm Liam from Edge Hill University. We are up in north-west England, not far from Liverpool. And we're teaching intensive, rather than a research intensive university, but we're rapidly growing our research culture. And, for example, we've moved up more places. Anyone else in the rough 2014, hopefully, will continue to move up and build our research culture, and that includes patches research, and in March 2019, and we got a new research repository, which is pure.

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And then, few months later, in September 2000, 19, we call Figshare to replace all old data repository. Which again, similar to the first talk, we only had a handful of things less than seven, In fact, which we transfer to Figshare pretty easily, and I'll give Helen the proper introduction second, by the way.

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So, yeah, this is, this is kind of how our Figshare is at the moment, and I'm just going to talk you through some examples.

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But, yeah, I've been working with researchers such as Helen, too, as who's been kind of an early adopter with our Creative Arts department, and, you know, with the idea, too, pushed out further across the department, but want to get some good examples first. So, I'm gonna start by talking about this example from one of Helen's students, Say, OK, I'll give him the proper introduction now. Helen is a professor of theater practice within our creative arts and and I will be passing the baton on to in a minute. And so anyway, this is an example from James Macpherson. He's one of our recent PHD students, and he's set up this Figshare collection for sharing his PHD work, which was very useful for his examiners and what is given a really good description of what he's doing with the project. I mean, look at this metadata on the right-hand side, isn't that great? So it's really discoverable.

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So he's really filled out the records nicely.

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And then what we have here are the various films these recorded, so I'll show you an example.

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one thing we should be great in future is if we could choose a thumbnail sketch, These kinda nice and consistent. But I'll give you an example of what one of these films looks like.

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So this is him in Halifax, in West Yorkshire and it says, and a peaceful.

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And it said, what you can see is, the movements of different people and the patterns that creating change. The research has added an effect as well.

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Just to source, really, make it clear about these patterns.

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And later on, you can see a performance M happening. And then towards the bottom right, you are starting to see there, so you can kind of sharp movements the different people and how they interact with the space.

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And so that's, that's this collection by James, and what we have here is, I'll start off here. This is a project by Helen the Researcher and it's called ... and ... and it represents a photographic exhibition and different images, as you can see. And they, pino brought to get the picture, let me clearly marked, as well. We have a sequence with them, each file having its own number.

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And the idea here is, it says, It's kind of poking fun at the eye. The idea of performance and beauty within this.

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And, again, it's really good to see the engagement in terms of views and downloads that that is helpful. But also, just being able to do what you want with the different fields, and the positioning is be really useful.

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And it's, it's very much a sizable item as it stands. And we've added some enhanced accessibility for those people, for example, who can't get the full experience, actually, with visual impairment.

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I've been able to see the images And so we have accompanying Word document which describes what's happening, any Tim mentioned, You're giving a bit more than what you would get with the alternative text.

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OK, and then finally, before we hand over to Helen and sort of discuss these in more detail, this is another piece of her work called, Remember Me, This is an exhibition for one.

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So, it's an installation for an audience of one, and Helen has done lots of research into The Great War. And, well, Helen, would you like to sort of take over this point, tell us a bit more about Remember me?

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Yeah. Can you hear me? By the way, Yes. It's my mic. Switch on, yeah. So, remember, me, was an installation for an audience of one. But, it was using Welsh will run photography. So a lot of my practice has been about looking at how photography does and does not document either performance or events or people. And so this was actually that's what types of things was about.

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And then with this project, I was actually looking at well to a one pool traits the original, maybe just one in existence, original photographs of soldiers and their stories. We just don't know what happened to them, so they're not really documentation of, of those people that, just documentation of one specific second or NaN in the individuals' existence.

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So this was a solid installation experience. And the fiqh share experiences is, is completely different from actually experiencing this face-to-face.

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And so, that's something to bear in mind, that captioning is all the explanations at the side, in the meditation, the keywords, as well. And in the, you know, any text that arrives underneath, can actually, I was using pure, a lot, in conjunction with Figshare, to actually go backwards and forwards between the two repositories, and also, actually, an e-portfolio document.

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So, there was a third point just to clarify anything for rough people, et cetera, et cetera. So I think that I would, I would just start at this point. What I'd really love, Figshare, if you're listening, is to be able to show photographs against a black background, because that, that makes a photograph look better. Because the exhibition that you see online is completely different from the experience, when you see it with beautifully printed photographs on paper. And the ability to sort by name as well. So that, so that somebody could, she puts a collection, for example, into the artist's preferred order. But other than that, Figshare is just the answers. to a lot of problems that I've been dealing with with with ref and practice research.

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Since rough 2014.

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In fact, so so key Figshare, as the only thing I've missed out, name, I won't say missed out, Would you mind telling everyone, these are the stats that we've been mentioning or are they useful to you? Would you like to see anything else or flashing up to demonstrate impact on the house?

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At the stats or useful from a vanity point of view as an artist to say because I think sometimes you feel with pure that you're just shouting into avoid. You know, not, That's true of anything, that's true. Facebook and Instagram. And I don't think they work in an impact strategy. If they don't have a more robust impacts strategy around them, because they're not prove anything, they're not, they're not demonstrating what has changed. Unless you're trying to demonstrate that you've brought something to people's awareness, which is a legitimate impact criterion, in which case, you might say that, that, I can't see the stats on this, because it's not my screen. But, you know, 250 old people engaged with this.

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But, what I can't see is who they were.

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You know, it was mostly you in the, in the, the library offices. Always, you know, while we're sorting it out. So, so they're useful to an extent, but they should be used in conjunction with a robust impact stretching beyond just looking at the numbers. But, yes, it's, it's, it's really easy. And I'll just go back to that. First instance, actually, that this fictious, salt, huge numbers of problems, forgetting examples of data on the finished project, actually to examine those for PHD, for example.

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And that will say, I use a Figshare that we hadn't anticipated and tail I help this student coming to Final five and then we have the how do we get this work to an examiner to note that the light bulb goes all over your head and you think, Well, use the data repository. Use the use the eviction mechanism.

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So, it's been brilliant for that.

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And of course, I can take any links and put them into Instagram, put them into Facebook, put them into my own web pages, so, you know, it's, it's another string to getting your work few out there.

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Thanks. Yeah, I'm just thinking back to impact for a second. I can see here, we've got some audience responses, which you manage the clay here, which is good. To think the platform could benefit from having something like that for testimonials. Does it work?

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I don't know, actually, because, I mean, sometimes, So those those comments that collected manually as people come out for a member may so that they were they were physically writing, they reject old-fashioned writing in an old fiction book with an old-fashioned. I think online comments, if you've ever been below the line, I dare you. If you haven't, go below the line on, On the Daily Mail.

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So, I, I suspect that sometimes we might get comments that we don't want to make public. Just so. Hopkinson, remember me that I didn't have to edit that. Every single person who have experienced it left a comment and a 99.9% on recurring.

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percent of comments were positive. So, so, those are not edited to show you just the beautiful ones.

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On a free, for all, below the line, you might get, the kind of comments that you are not particularly look looking for in an academic arena. I'm not sure that below the line is the place for the kind of debate that comes up, But maybe curated comments might be a way through the book. That's a whole load of work for us, who just the current curation on, not just the overseeing A thought would be a question to ask?

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Yeah, you can imagine a current folding, maybe, an Impact Manager.

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And just one other thing I didn't mention everyone here is, basically, how Helen is prefixed head items by saying, well, what's happening? You know, because obviously, you're trying to document everything that's happening with the research. You've called this process documentation. And we see this. one is a photo documentation, so you kinda using that prefix. So, I don't know. We could add functionality and action at an extra metadata to say what's going on, or linked them to go get the better, but something, maybe, we'll think about.

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Yeah. That's because I was finding, so I've used lots of other databases. The database I use, my private work is Flickr, where I can. I can dictate the order that people look at things on Flickr. I still label things on Flickr. But this was because coming into a cold and you just left with a, you know, a huge collection of lots of different data. You have to make sure that people know what they're looking at. You know, that what, what's the documentation of the Artwork? What's a documentation of the behind the scenes? What, what is the function of Each piece of data that you're looking at? Which is especially important for practice research? So, So, yes, that kind of functionality and metadata, and actually the ability to sort of say, you can sort by date or dates. I think you can sort by size a file.

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But it'd be really useful to be able to sort by name, in which case, I put out, number one, process took, you know, you'd get all that kind of sorting actually happening in a and a collection of data.

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Great, thank you. OK, I'll stop sharing the screen, and I think we can wrap that one up.

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OK, wonderful, thank you both so much, and another, thank you to all four presenters and really interesting to hear all the different experiences at U three institutions, all different, but very similar things, and running throughout. And just a reminder, if you do have any questions, we've got some time left for those, so please, do put them in the question box, or the chat. Either one.

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I, there's a question around.

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That's the sort of process for beginning to approach artists and researchers and about showcasing their outputs because as as, Mark, as you alluded to, is really difficult, too.

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Yeah, talk to people about something they might not consider to be data or an output in the sort of traditional scientific sense of the words. And so if if anyone, any of our presenters, have any thoughts on how they've approached our artists and researchers in terms of the phrasing and things like that, I think that will be really interesting to hear.

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Well, yeah.

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If I can just say, I mean, I haven't that's very interesting. Very, very interesting.

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talks what we've tried to talk about information rather than data when we can and affirm.

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Curating....

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But I think it was very interesting. But the last paper saying, and I think what would really help us in that, is if we could have a bit more control over how it looks. I mean, yes, having a black background would be amazing. Being able to sort it in different ways would be so, so helpful, because, yes, when we use things like second, things are actually designed for this.

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You can do for, and I think, especially when we're dealing with visual artists, as we do a lot, they really want to make sure that their work looks, as presents Percy campaign. And yeah, I think this is exactly limb by saying he's one of the drawbacks of Figshare, and that is very clearly not designed for that at the moment and it's very clearly designed for traditional, what you would think of as data. So you can't sort it, and It's about thumbnails. I mean, yes. Under sometimes, yes. If we could actually say, this is the film, That …. Which I understand. If you're putting up a traditional journal paper, that's not a problem. When it's a piece of long form video, TV really does matter. So, yeah. So as to the language that we use on our part, and it would be great if we could get some of those changes made in future version. Yeah, definitely. I'm sorry.

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I did just want to say also, I've taken note of that darker background and the sorting of the files to raise with our product team. Because, absolutely, I think those would be great. Custom thumbnails is already in development, and so, that should be coming out soon.

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So, yeah, that will be, um, that should be quite helpful, in terms of making sure that the outputs are as reflective of how they should be from the artist's perspective as as possible.

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So, yes, but any, any sort of additional thoughts on how it could be better for artists, I think, would be, extremely welcome from our perspective.

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Can I can I just say, oh, you know, … because I'm saying I'm an artist and I saw it.

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I sourced at a conference, or just conference down in London, be before the current difficulty that we're all in. But we could meet up and I took no convincing, but I just saw that that is the answer to my problems, because it's like Flickr, but it's for academics. So I think maybe to sell it to artists, just to show it to artists, you, know, that the guts, that's the way to get across. Nobody have to persuade me to do anything.

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So, you know, I think it's, I think it's demonstration. It's the key.

38:48

Just, I would add, I was at an event, early on practice research, and they were talking about some systems, they say, Portfolios and think.

38:55

But I would say that I think, you know, Helen, know, my colleague, a very digital savvy, I don't think Helen is particularly put off by the D word, but, but are you, indeed, did you hit … and turn off?

39:07

No.

39:08

Because, because I'm, the way that I work with photography, I think from my photographs, this information and data, um, but I've also, because I've done not reading and thinking and writing about documentation, I can also separate out my life performance work from the documentation. I think that might be a hard a stretch, but, some people to know that what you're watching on, what you're looking up on screen is not the artwork. It's a story, it's a narrative about the artwork, but it's not the life artwork. So, you know, that's, that's the thing to make clear that very often harder to get the data managers actually yourself excluded layer then is to artists to understand that. So, for me, there was a huge reluctance to so that the stuff about remember me, I uploaded last because it is such a live 11 minutes experience. If you want it and get, drop me a line and I'll bring it to you and show it to you in person, then you'll understand what I'm talking about. But it's, it's completely different looking at that documentation.

40:16

If I showed it to you at the end of 11 minutes, I would hand you a tissue, but I want to instance for nearly called an ambulance for somebody because she was hyperventilating because she was sobbing so much and you're never going to get to experience from from looking at the documentation.

40:32

But, it's just that awareness that love all the other information that has to go around to represent, so that the viewer can imagine an experience as opposed to this being an experience itself. So it's that understanding what the digital can do and what it can do.

40:49

Thank you very much.

40:52

There's a question about using that Figshare for a workshop setup where the users are only generating content over a week.

41:01

And has anyone had any experience with using Figshare for the outputs of a workshop over the course of the short, short amount of time?

41:15

Mean, we are, with the similar to Mark, created, what, we have a data company learning and teaching day into, kind of an asynchronous day, but, no, no, no, really workshop.

41:28

What about you make, and you must have support people doing them?

41:32

Um.

41:36

Nothing comes to mind, actually, but I mean, there's no reason why you couldn't an intern reserves.

41:45

And the way that you would organize it.

41:47

So, it could either be a sort of subgroup landing page, like University of the Arts Dead for the conference, or it could be collections, Right, using an account for grouping things together, and it can be uploaded and published very quickly.

42:06

So, yeah, there's no reason why you couldn't, That's just not no specific use cases come to mind. But, yeah, if that's of interest to you further and you want to talk through it, just pop, pop us an e-mail. And I'll be happy to talk through it.

42:20

And, there's one last question that I'll ask and it seems like a good one to round out with and that's just your plans for the future.

42:28

With regard to arts outputs and data, we would like to answer that.

42:37

Well, I can say we're looking at I was very interested a very extensive cap and talking about the e-portfolios because that was swimming the way we didn't use fake … ref wish we had. And that's something we're very much looking to do to try to start to engage our researchers right from the start thinking of their projects. Or together and be there for them to be able to group things together.

42:59

Not just for art. But also, so, they can embed this stuff elsewhere, and to show dissemination bases. For the Yes, That's how. that's how we're hoping. she said.

43:12

I'm very excited by Mark’s online conference, actually, I'm thinking 100 ideas about how, how you could get not just, I'm a pesky academic, but not just dry.

43:25

Pesky, academics conference, but how artists actually might work together in that forum, which is quite interesting. Works surprisingly, probably, tell me what, really well, where we were very surprised by how well it works. Yeah.

43:40

Think, cared for now. I think Will tell him was saying about having, just actually having something to show people, to say, look, this is what your peers are doing, and kind of have those conversations, and it kinda gets, it sets people's ideas off. Kind of such see different ways of a thing, It's present the materials. I think it's really great to know how flats. So we're not sort of just always talking theoretically and fail to give you a concrete examples from Cornell. And so I think they'll be able to use this.

44:16

This has comments and launch pipes the healthy conversations with our, with our college, and to get people kind of thinking, not just, let's, sort through All the sudden, just because we've got the rest round, the round, the corner, we need to be thinking longer term and thinking about how, as those outputs have been created, how can the Slots disseminate them sooner rather than later?

44:47

Yeah, and I'd like to talk more to the creative asked, which Headlands part, just to show researchers.

44:54

Now, we have some nice examples, and got a few early adopters. I haven't, we can say, well, this is what you could do, this, is how you could tell the story about this piece. What You wanna do, you want to do something this. And if not, why not just build understanding, and, and get that conversation moving now, and now we're about, like, face to point where we're ready to do that.

45:19

Excellent, I can't wait to see what happens in the future. It all sounds great, and, again, a massive thank you to all the presenters for speaking.

45:28

Really, really interesting, Informative, and thank you all for coming.

45:34

It's been, been very, very good, OK, great, well, thank you. Yep. We'll send the recording around shortly as well. And if you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail and happy to answer them. So. Thank you all, and have a great rest of your day.

45:50

All right. Thank you.

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